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hello

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this is Philip Kinsella and you're

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listening to the paranormal UK radio

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network the UK's biggest paranormal

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Network and this is paranormal

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dimensions with David Young and thank

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you for that intro Phillip right okay

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lovely guest for you or introduce in a

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moment as you know I've been doing calls

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out to people now either by request or

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by might using what today's call there

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is for the Shane heard in Phoenix

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Arizona USA Michelle Brookes Sunshine

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Coast Cui's Queensland Australia and

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Leroy C Spooner Hudson Florida USA hello

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and I hope your little us listening and

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we'll be putting you on the page what

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I've just got to put before I do so I

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guess I've just got a little mention

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about something on one of my shows the

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one with frankly well I mistakenly said

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that the Bible was actually the work

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that the Quran was actually I had older

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than the Bible now somebody pulled me up

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on this one on the YouTube post for this

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for this particular show so that was my

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own interpretation I have believed that

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what I bought was not as old as the

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Quran I was wrong apparently I did a

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little bit of research on that and it

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seems that I think I think of my the way

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I was thinking was probably like the

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King James Bible think about the the

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Islam bid a lot older than that that's

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that's what that was I mean I'm not a

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religious expert so I don't really know

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but that was my own own opinion and I

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apologize for that if anyone else was

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upset but here it's just one of those

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things that I've looked behind her I

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won't make that mistake again I now know

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that the boy was older than the correct

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thank you

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well okay now why the guest I've got

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today is going to be very interesting

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our hope of what I know is Simon

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Entwistle he's already got a show of his

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own on this on this network and it's

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really

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hauntings and well let him tell us all

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about that and welcome saman Entwhistle

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hello Dave

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thank you very much for contacts it's

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lovely to have you on the show Solomon

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my pleasure can assure you hear all

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about your show a bit later

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I just sort of mentioned that Simon and

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I'm in MIT very kind of briefly we are a

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conference a couple years ago

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Pera force conference in Natyam and i

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was very impressed by simon's

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presentation and ghost story i think you

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caught a couple of ghost stories on that

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particular day and they were fairly

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fantastic the way you deliver them is

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fantastic and I hope we'll get a few of

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those today on this particular show

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anyway how did you get into this field

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Simon right well many many years ago

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Dave Verne I joined the the army and I

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will never forget going to the

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recruiting office in 1975 and recently

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recruiting sergeant and his words were

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right lad

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you son of a line here and you'll see

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the world I had no idea that the very

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very first week of my army service took

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me to a brilliant city called York in

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the north of England and City of York of

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course is a tourism paradise they have

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eight different guided ghosts murder and

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mystery tools one based on the Romans 1

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based on Vikings the Victorians the

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really really medieval ghosts and then

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there's just general ghost walks is even

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well that takes place in the river news

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and I became hooked in 1979 when I left

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the army and I've started up my own toes

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so it's really through tourism and the

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City of York nips and I could involve

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with ghost walks myself dates myself and

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previous so now you do I know you've

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done some around them some spree hole

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haven't you I've been I've actually had

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dinner in that it's quite amazing

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places it you know No oh thank you sure

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isn't it that's right just a black bone

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it is indeed it's a beautiful beautiful

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building a building oh yeah

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it's a gorgeous 1322 building with an

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extension in 1450 and just occasional

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game with the Osman who guided ghost

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warps of the hall I attempted to for a

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year but there are some gorgeous juicy

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stories and I find in my experience as a

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ghost walk it's nice to actually talk to

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local people and get their stories and

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then use those stories on the actual

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tour and you can always tell when

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someone's being very honest and very

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truthful by by the look in the face you

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can always tell that they are being very

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honest and a lot of these stories do

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come from the heart and if you like

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David I'd like to start with a a story

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from Salisbury oh yeah yeah right okay

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we're gonna turn the clock back now soo

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2007 and I was asked to conduct a guided

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tour the hall and the end of my guided

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spooky saw a very very pleasant lady

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came over to see me and she owned a

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handbag and she said son I've got a

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great story for you

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she pulled from her handbag a photograph

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of herself taken in 1943

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that sounds B Hall I've got to say she

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tell me she was 91 years old and yet she

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looked more like a lady in her sixties

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and she reminded me very very much of

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the Hollywood or Pinewood actress

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Deborah Kerr she really was a a

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stunningly attractive woman even in her

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90s so let's have her story and it

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marries in beautifully with a story from

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the hall that took place in 1923

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first of all sadly Hall was in danger of

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being demolished through lack of funds

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and the word tourism in 1923 hadn't

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really been invented local builders

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gathered like a flock of vultures to

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take away all the stone all the timber

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from this gorgeous

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13:22 building on the 11th hour the

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society hall Preservation Society got

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together and they consisted mainly of

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entrepreneurs and historians and they

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raised enough money to not only save the

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building but to preserve it and they

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couldn't let any Tom Dick and Harry work

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in this medieval building it has to be

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someone it was highly skilled in

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medieval buildings one such person who

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fitted the bill and wait for his name

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mr. Michael Palin no relation to our

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Monty Python star what Michael came from

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of the little village of Darwin near

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Blattner he was an exceptional

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stonemason he had worked some buildings

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like bottled with in Castle in North

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Wales he'd worked in Leventhal in

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Cambria Ram Hall in Cheshire and he

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really knew his stuff when it came to

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working in Tudor buildings he arrived on

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a beautiful June day in 1923 with his

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four apprentices and he gave each

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apprentice a different part of the hall

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to work on

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he chose the main hall the oldest part

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of the building he planned a balada and

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with a hammer and chisel he chiseled

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away at the old and eroded stone from

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what we call the long Gary's ceiling he

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pushed a huge block of stone off unless

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it felt was the earth standing beneath

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him was a little boy with curly black

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hair and Palin's shoulders look out lad

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look out that the little boy just stood

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there the stone came down grazed his

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nose and landed white in front of his

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toes Palin came down that ladder at

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great speed till the slide appease his

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mind but the role was completely

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reversed the little boy shouted you

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shall bear yes you're big you've got no

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right to be here well I have got a right

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to be here

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shouted Palin I've been employed to work

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in this building now you stand back you

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could have been very badly injured Palin

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turned around climbed up the ladder and

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the little boy gone that's strange he

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must be a quick runner he thought for

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they work their socks off bring in new

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timber new tiles and Santee Hall was

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beginning to look a bit like its shoot

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herself once again they arrived for

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another hard day's graft on a bitterly

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cold December day in 1923 the blue skies

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disappeared and were replaced by clouds

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full of snow and a wind whipped up heavy

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heavy snow came down from the heavens

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and Michael told his four premises I'm

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sorry lads there's no way we'll get back

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to Darwin tonight we'll have to spend

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the night here the four Prince's were

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really annoyed they will see it that

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were death families but Christmas was

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approaching but as they looked out the

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window the snow is coming down so thick

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that it was creeping up the window ledge

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Michael said it'll be dark in exactly

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1/2 hours

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let's go into the forest and get as much

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wood as we possibly can and get a fire

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time all night well the four laps

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complained bitterly but they realized

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that outside the snow is falling down

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even thicker they trudged out into the

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courtyard made away for nearest forests

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and brought back twigs and branches and

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got the fire going in the main hall with

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a least a night supply of firewood in

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1923 there was no mobile phones no

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laptops no TV no radio no Nintendo so

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the only form of entertainment would be

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a good night's sleep the four Prince's

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got their own bed rolls and they rolled

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them out in front of the blazing fire in

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the main hall and fell into a deep sleep

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Michael was an ardent Christian here but

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his bedroll

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sat on the bed roll and had a few words

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of the good Lord upstairs

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halfway through his evening prayers he

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glanced to the right and saw the chapel

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door which was adjacent to the main hall

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and a golden glowing light emanating

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from it out of the golden glowing light

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step this very very beautiful young lady

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in Tudor dress

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and she slowly walked towards Palin

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straight through the sleepy apprentices

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and knelt down in front of the fire and

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clutched her hands together and painted

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her afterwards I hope my husband

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survives the war and then she

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disappeared but disappeared with a

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prattle a beautiful scent in the air

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Palin's hot accelerates in his chest his

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mouth went dry he glanced to the right

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and nervously witnessed another golden

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glowing light emanating from the chapel

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door way out of that golden glowing

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light steps a 1642 Cavalier officer with

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bandoliers across his chest saw by his

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side a long guilty beard and feathers in

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his camp he made his way straight past

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Palin through the Cydia premises but put

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his hand on the chimney breast and utter

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the words I hope I survive the war he

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too disappeared by now Palin is becoming

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traumatized he's witnessed something

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very very very paranormal he gingerly

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nervously turns his head to the right

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for the third time and sees a much

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smaller go low in light make its way

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from the chapel doorway out of that

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little light step the little boy with

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the curly black hair that have maybe

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been hit by the stone in June of that

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year and the little boy runs straight as

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payment through the sleeping apprentices

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and out of the adjacent wall as you can

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imagine Michael Palin did not sleep them

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on that night but quite surprisingly

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when the four boys woke up he never told

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them what had happened and when he got

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back home to his wife and children he

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never told them he never told anyone

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however twenty years later as a very

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elderly gentleman he was making his way

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past serves me hall as he had done on

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many occasions unnoticed outside the

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building was a military vehicle

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belonging to the Warren Air Force he

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thought RAF what are they doing there

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he walked across the lawns made his way

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into the main exception area and saw two

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Royal Air Force personnel standing in

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front of that very fire pace and the

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door clicked

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they turned tail an anthem I made eye

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contact with a young lady in the RAF

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uniform he just stood and stared at her

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quite naturally she felt very very

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embarrassed may I help you

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she said her companion the officer then

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intervened may we help you please Taylan

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recognized the young girl in the RAF

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uniform to be the same beautiful young

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lady

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he'd seen walk out of that golden

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glowing light twenty-three years before

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and he told her she burst into tears mr.

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Palin I believe everywhere you tell me

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but I'm from the city of Leicester I've

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never been to like sham life before but

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as we drove past in the staff car I

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shouted stop stop stop I know this place

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I've been here before and you mr. Palin

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have have opened my anxieties for this

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building I met that lady some five six

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years ago she opened a handbag and she

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showed me a photograph of herself

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standing by that very very fireplace in

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1943 as I said before she was still a

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very attractive woman in her 90s and you

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can always tell Woodson has been very

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honest and very truthful and that story

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came straight from her heart he came

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across three personnel three ghosts

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personally himself by the sound of it

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all was it more than that I think I

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counted three there that's right David

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he counted three but it was amazing I

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had heard about the story but when I met

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the lady the raf lady it just confirmed

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Palin's story really did happen and

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seeing this photo of this lady because

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she told me how she had met Palin in

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1943

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that day by the fireplace it just

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married in beauty with the with the

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you actually think ghosts are you got

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any explanations or thoughts on that

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well it's a fantastic question that

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David um I would I think what Mahanama

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heart and tell you that I've never ever

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seen a ghost

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but I've met people who have and people

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who are of sound mind and body and I

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suppose one of the main reasons that I

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do find the stories the story the

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paranormal interesting is that my father

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would never lie about anything and his

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story is one of the finest stories I've

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ever heard and there is a twist in the

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story as well David what did I tell you

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that story on this is your shows not

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mine today is well that's very kind of

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me

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heart and I sweat you a hundred percent

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it is completely true we're now gonna

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turn the clock back now to 1960 I was

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five years old my father bought this

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very very beautiful old Victorian house

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in a little village outside the market

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town of Kendall pulled him castor and we

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lived in the village of war linear

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Clitheroe at the time and I remember as

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a young boy of five seeing the

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Pickford's vehicle arrived I'm a mother

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and father

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filling the pit for the vehicle along

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with the Pigford Stan's no I actually

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know those areas so it's it's gone I'll

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get you pictures at mid-morning in my

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mind you know it's okay Dave no no prob

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whatsoever so we set off and made our

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way towards South Lakeland and I saw

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this house the first time and in my case

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David it was love at first sight it was

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a beautiful old limestone 1898

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three-story house in its own grounds in

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this little village

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in South Lakeland it was beautiful and I

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would awesome that term but first day my

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mother and father were very very

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concerned about myself my brother and

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indeed my sister were all under 10 years

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old so mother father made our beds up

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very very quickly and presume by 8:00

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that night we were fast asleep

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however my father was going to

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experience something very very very

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paranormal because it was a country

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house the last job that needed to be

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done was to put up any curtains but what

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they did do they made the beds up they

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took furniture upstairs and they got

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coming out for for meals etc the

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curtains could wait until tomorrow so my

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father got into bed with my mother and

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it was bright bright new light emanating

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into the bedroom and my father then

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heard the sounds of tiny footsteps

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coming up the staircase towards his

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bedroom

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the door slowly opened and in came a

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liver and white cocker spaniel my father

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thought oh well I must have left the

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door up downstairs was that dog come

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from so he got out of bed come on come

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on let's hurry and he reached for the

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spaniels collar to his amazement his

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hand went straight through the animal he

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shrieked himself and made a second

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attempt his hand went through the animal

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again the dog then turned to look at the

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batching window almost as if its name

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was being called and then it faded it

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just disappeared

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my mother who been a deep sleeper the

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turn woke up with a jolt to find my

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father sitting at the end of the bed in

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a state of shock and she said off I've

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just had a very very clear dream a

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really clear dream there's a man outside

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in Victorian clothing with a dog lead in

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his hand pointing up at our bedroom

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window my father then told my mother

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what

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experienced they never told me it was

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about 15 years old and I really grew to

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love a house I know it was very old and

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but I had no experience myself but I

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really grew to love the house and um I

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was really really saddened in 1973 when

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my father sold the house because when it

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went a lot of very very happy childhood

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memories however this is where the story

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takes a most amazing twist three years

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ago my wife and I went on a

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Mediterranean cruise with piano and I

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got a say David I really really enjoyed

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it

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on one of the evenings in the

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restaurants some three tables away

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I kept glancing up and that's sort of

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rather attractive young lady that kept

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looking at me and I thought I really

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cannot be that good-looking she walked

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across with a big smile on her face and

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she said it's Simon isn't it I said

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that's right she said she came from the

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village of Chaplin near clever him and

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of course everyone in that part of world

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knows each other and I said oh yes yes

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of course

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she said servant my job here on piano

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I'm the events manager I've booked all

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the or the artists and all the events

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take place on this gorgeous liner called

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the Oceana said I'd be Lyn your tours

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have you ever thought about doing a

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PowerPoint storytelling show the piano

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on one of the the cruise liners I select

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didn't really consider that actually M

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Louise I would have thought that would

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have gone down there well said well I'm

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gonna give you an email address and when

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you get back to England contact piano

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and go through an audition so that's

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exactly what I did do and I was told I

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could audition in Sussex or Cumbria now

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of course I live in luncheon cumbias

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around the corner so I was told that can

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be a be fine to me what's called the

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cruise director a lovely lady called

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Catherine and Catherine gave me her

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email address and

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Sat Nav Co for my for my sat-nav

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navigation and a date and time to arrive

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so I put live code in my car and set off

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and found myself drunk driving over the

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beautiful trough of Bowland down into

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the city of Lancaster and then up the m6

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North coming off but Havisham a little

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village called Havisham which I I knew

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very well my youth and I thought wow

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male house is not too far from here I

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went through heavy shim head which is on

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a beautiful road that takes you through

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a forest and down to the old driveway of

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my old house the SAP of said turn left

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and I found myself standing in front of

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the old house then I left in 1973 with

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all those thoughts no there's a members

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and I thought no this is fourteen

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million to one against probably I'm not

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in the door I met Kathryn list at the

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cruise director I'd say look a bit

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sheepish terminus and well I used to

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live here I'm able a to the front room a

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room had not seen since I was a teenage

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boy and memories of my grandparents and

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my parents came back and friends had sat

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in that very room there and I just

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couldn't perform I just couldn't really

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talk about the cruises etc the audition

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and more Kathryn actually understood

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this and she made me a cup of tea

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and I told about my life as a young boy

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there and then I told her about my

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father's ghostly encounter upstairs as I

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tell the story the teacup in her hands

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fell to the floor and smashed

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she said Salman my brother lives in

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London every Christmas he comes up to

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spend Christmas with me and my husband

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and the very very first Christmas he

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arrived here he climate Abed the door of

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his bedroom opened and in came a liver

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and white polka spot

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and I said well thank you Dad thank you

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Dad that confirms to me that yes ghosts

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do exist but no I've never seen one

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myself Damon but I swear to you that is

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it that is a true story from that and

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there are animal ghosts as well maybe we

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do hear of them ghost horse Easter as

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well don't we I mean does this mean

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there's an afterlife or animals or do we

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all go to the same after though I

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thought was there you know it's I think

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it can be comforting for people that

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have lost animals and pets as well

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because yes knowing personally I do

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believe that there's an afterlife for

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every living thing really I'm sure is

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David I would agree that they're

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actually yes son with my own personal

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belief trodden on for that but it's very

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close to my heart

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I mean it's obviously why we're in the

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paranormal field as it is you know I

539
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know people take the mickey out of us

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00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,410
and you know oh you believe in ghosts or

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you believe in UFOs and things but it's

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something that's very serious to us

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isn't it you know David when we started

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our conversation you mentioned the Holy

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Bible when you look at the Holy Bible

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00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:20,230
there and you look at the resurrection

547
00:26:25,530 --> 00:26:22,930
of Jesus I mean the guy came back again

548
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:25,540
yeah hmm actually came back again and

549
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:27,010
you know you've heard of doubting Thomas

550
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:29,320
you know st. Thomas who had put his

551
00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:31,990
hands on the body you know and and you

552
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:33,940
know these stories weren't just invented

553
00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:35,950
they actually happened and I suppose

554
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:38,380
really that gives us a a lot of strength

555
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,900
in knowing that some there is a life

556
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:42,880
after this woman is - I I agree that

557
00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:44,170
with that David over here

558
00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:45,700
I mean and then when you look at our

559
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:49,300
paranormal stories oh yes yeah yeah I

560
00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:51,430
mean to come back from a jet but to

561
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:53,620
actually prove it he's fantastic really

562
00:26:59,130 --> 00:26:57,100
isn't it yeah anyway if you've just

563
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,140
joined us you're listening to the

564
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:01,360
paranormal UK radio network and I'm

565
00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:04,990
speaking to Salman it whistle now do you

566
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:06,460
want to give us another story Simon

567
00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:11,490
I would love already missed them so yeah

568
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:12,990
to catch up on the podcast if you've

569
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,650
just joined us please carry on Salman I

570
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:20,640
will indeed Dave and I say um I work a

571
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:23,820
lot with local tourism offices you know

572
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:27,240
in langxiu option Cumbria and they've

573
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,370
been very helpful in terms of setting up

574
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:31,860
tours for me but one thing we always

575
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:34,620
insisted on doing was not just reading

576
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:37,350
about stories but meeting local people

577
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:40,970
and this is one of my favorite stories

578
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,120
some years ago in the village of Darwin

579
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:46,980
near Blackmon I met a lovely chap called

580
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:49,470
Bill Morris and he was a smashing bloke

581
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,570
really real gentleman and we went to the

582
00:27:56,030 --> 00:27:53,940
Witherspoon's in Darwin sat down and

583
00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:56,040
bought two points of really excellent

584
00:28:03,650 --> 00:28:00,390
real ale sat down and his eyes start to

585
00:28:06,410 --> 00:28:03,660
glaze over and he told me this story he

586
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:06,420
said he was born near the railway the

587
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:09,450
East Lancashire Roy and his little

588
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:11,190
garden went right down to the railway

589
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:12,750
track where there was a fence there and

590
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:15,720
as a little boy of four five six and

591
00:28:20,419 --> 00:28:17,730
seven he would sit on the fence and

592
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:20,429
watch the trains come by and waved at

593
00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:22,890
the engine drivers he told his mum and

594
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:26,070
dad when I leave school I want to work

595
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:30,210
on the railway he lets go at 14 and he

596
00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:31,920
got a job in the East Lancashire rowing

597
00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:35,040
as a wheelchair and his job was to work

598
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,800
on the rail stations up the East

599
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:39,960
Lancashire line just tapping the wheels

600
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:41,910
of the trains to make sure they weren't

601
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:45,210
correct at the age of eighteen he got a

602
00:28:54,530 --> 00:28:50,250
great job as a locomotive engine fireman

603
00:28:58,990 --> 00:28:54,540
and just after his 21st birthday he got

604
00:29:02,480 --> 00:28:59,000
the job of his dreams a steam engine

605
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:02,490
locomotive driver and he worked him from

606
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:05,130
London Euston up to Glasgow down to

607
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:07,050
Glasgow London Euston but in the summer

608
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:11,580
of 1951 he was transferred to the East

609
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,340
Lancashire Railway and he go past his

610
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:16,500
mum and dad's house and before he got

611
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:22,919
the house he'd pull the whistle cord and

612
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:24,850
the train would go past the her

613
00:29:29,549 --> 00:29:26,980
his mum and dad have come rushing out to

614
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:29,559
wave at him this time on a beautiful

615
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:33,609
beautiful August afternoon of that year

616
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:35,769
1951 he took the train down from

617
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:38,769
Carlisle through the rebel Valley and

618
00:29:44,999 --> 00:29:41,710
down towards Darwin and just outside

619
00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:45,009
Darwin is a tunnel a very very long term

620
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:49,899
pulled just left on either sides of the

621
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:52,690
tunnel were flat open fields with

622
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:54,940
fencing and as bill was about to take

623
00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:57,159
the engine into the tunnel he glanced

624
00:30:02,899 --> 00:30:00,730
the right and they saw a little boy was

625
00:30:06,029 --> 00:30:02,909
straw-coloured hair sitting on the fence

626
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:06,039
waving the engine of course bill way

627
00:30:13,139 --> 00:30:11,019
back and as the train was in for the air

628
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:13,149
into the tunnel he saw this little boy

629
00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:16,090
every single day for the next four weeks

630
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,789
and the straw colored head boy was

631
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:21,279
always sitting on the fence near the

632
00:30:26,639 --> 00:30:24,609
tunnel entrance however in late

633
00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:26,649
September of that year he was coming

634
00:30:31,409 --> 00:30:28,899
down the line as usual and he glanced to

635
00:30:33,899 --> 00:30:31,419
the right and so the little boy was not

636
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:33,909
on the fence this time but actually in

637
00:30:40,349 --> 00:30:37,440
the center of the field surrounded by

638
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:40,359
sleeping sheep when the little boy

639
00:30:45,149 --> 00:30:42,820
looked up he saw the engine and started

640
00:30:47,609 --> 00:30:45,159
to run towards the fencing and Bill

641
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:47,619
noted with great interest that the

642
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:50,850
little boy was actually running through

643
00:30:58,229 --> 00:30:54,940
sleeping sheep he over the fireman but

644
00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:58,239
the train was in the tunnel they got to

645
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:00,970
Manchester and they changed the freight

646
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:03,450
over for the journey back up north and

647
00:31:07,529 --> 00:31:06,609
the farm had said bill you've been very

648
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:07,539
very quiet

649
00:31:11,999 --> 00:31:10,090
what's wrong bill well you know that

650
00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:12,009
young lad that lad we see an offense

651
00:31:17,729 --> 00:31:14,679
which straw colored hair near the tunnel

652
00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:17,739
entrance it was in a field today it was

653
00:31:22,289 --> 00:31:19,899
running through sleeping sheep the Sheep

654
00:31:24,979 --> 00:31:22,299
didn't know he was there oh no come on

655
00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:24,989
bill see the fireman you seen things man

656
00:31:29,999 --> 00:31:27,429
they said what back north again

657
00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:30,009
and as they were about to enter the

658
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:32,679
South tunnel from the Manchester End

659
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:36,460
bill noted in the distance a red glowing

660
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:39,210
light he slowed the engine

661
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:43,090
and there he saw that the red light was

662
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:46,500
being held by a police officer

663
00:31:51,299 --> 00:31:48,790
What's Wrong officer shuddered bill

664
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:51,309
that's terrible terrible said the police

665
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:53,650
sergeant young lads being killed at the

666
00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:56,770
entrance to the tunnel oh no officer yes

667
00:32:02,820 --> 00:31:59,230
he lost his brother there five years ago

668
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,830
ah officer that's terrible terrible it

669
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:04,960
really is bad news we just need to see

670
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:06,370
the parents it wasn't a pleasant job I

671
00:32:12,659 --> 00:32:09,190
can assure you no it would be so bill it

672
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:12,669
wouldn't be a while later permission was

673
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,010
granted to take the engine through the

674
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:17,919
tunnel as bill brought the steam

675
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:21,370
locomotive out of the Sun lengthens into

676
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:24,640
bright bright sunshine he glanced to the

677
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:27,970
left and saw the straw-colored haired

678
00:32:33,659 --> 00:32:31,030
boy hold in the hand of a much taller

679
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:33,669
point I still tend to look at them they

680
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:35,799
turned to look at him they both raised

681
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:37,929
their arms to wave and they both

682
00:32:43,289 --> 00:32:40,530
vanished into thin air

683
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:43,299
bill swore deeply he elbowed the fireman

684
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:45,700
look at that look at that Psalm it too

685
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:49,750
busy shoveling said the fireman I will

686
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:51,280
never forget us bill finished his pipe

687
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:55,330
that day he said Simon I never believed

688
00:33:03,539 --> 00:32:58,630
in ghosts until I saw one with my own

689
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:03,549
eyes a truly romantic story but also a

690
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:08,169
very beautiful story hmm I've actually

691
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:10,510
got a booking from Professor hens hold

692
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:11,830
serve you ever have read any of these

693
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:14,710
books he's written some fantastic

694
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:20,710
accounts of ghosts and if you followed

695
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:28,260
that's a new one to me David I must look

696
00:33:31,289 --> 00:33:29,650
that up I'm sure it's probably very

697
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:31,299
interesting actually but but I'm not

698
00:33:36,419 --> 00:33:34,390
familiar with the the author no no it's

699
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:36,429
called ghosts true encounters with the

700
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:40,270
world beyond this quality it sounds good

701
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:43,480
it sounds very good she came across the

702
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:43,690
name

703
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:45,850
hence holes up many years ago that's you

704
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:48,100
he wrote a book about so the ghost of

705
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:50,210
always Presley richly

706
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:52,129
which was actually quite an interesting

707
00:33:56,499 --> 00:33:54,830
book whether it was true or not it was

708
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:56,509
about an encounter from beyond the grave

709
00:34:00,759 --> 00:33:59,570
sort of thing you know but some hey well

710
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:00,769
she sort of thrown at me because I've

711
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:02,690
got this book in front of it but it's

712
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,289
him

713
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:06,559
I must not thank you man so I head holes

714
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:09,050
up I presume he's probably German or

715
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:11,059
something but Sir I don't watch or what

716
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:16,970
he's background is so and with animals

717
00:34:24,339 --> 00:34:21,980
and humans and the way they the way they

718
00:34:26,049 --> 00:34:24,349
sort of react with with us a lot of the

719
00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:26,059
time they don't seem to actually notice

720
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:28,940
that we're there do they I'm wondering

721
00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:31,849
if it's some sort of stone recordings or

722
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:34,520
something of an old very good question

723
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,030
yeah very good possible I must see if

724
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:40,960
it's not a great subject they're really

725
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:43,399
many people believe in your theory there

726
00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:48,649
David I think I think you're definitely

727
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:51,079
the right track definitely um one store

728
00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:52,730
that does definitely seem to highlight

729
00:35:02,460 --> 00:34:58,790
that took place way back in 1953 in the

730
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:02,470
treasurer's house at York Minster

731
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:05,420
working the treasurer's house was a

732
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:08,650
young boy called Harry Harry Martindale

733
00:35:13,329 --> 00:35:10,730
Harry was 18 he was an apprentice

734
00:35:16,089 --> 00:35:13,339
plumber and his job was to install

735
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:16,099
central heating you can imagine working

736
00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:17,900
down the cellar by yourself you got a

737
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:20,359
brick wall to your right a brick wall to

738
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:23,480
your left and a ceiling above your head

739
00:35:27,789 --> 00:35:26,690
he had a electric light down there he

740
00:35:30,549 --> 00:35:27,799
had a blowtorch

741
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:30,559
he had copper piping he had soldering

742
00:35:35,609 --> 00:35:32,540
irons etc but his job was to heat the

743
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:35,619
pipes up to bend them to install them as

744
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:39,290
central heating pipes it was a Tuesday

745
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:41,510
afternoon and he's working down in the

746
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:43,190
down in the treasurer's house cellar

747
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:44,900
when he heard the sound of a trumpet

748
00:35:55,059 --> 00:35:50,599
almost like a he got louder and louder

749
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,069
and as he glanced to his right out of

750
00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:58,640
the brick wall appeared a white horse

751
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:00,410
with a Roman soldier

752
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,270
sitting it the horse went straight past

753
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:04,400
him followed by

754
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:07,630
soon after platoon of Roman infantry

755
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:11,180
Harry was terrified he stuff around that

756
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:13,940
ladder and cowered in fear in the corner

757
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:17,060
of the cellar as he looked up he noticed

758
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:18,890
that they couldn't see him in fact one

759
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:21,020
of them walked straight through him he

760
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:23,990
had time to note what clothing they were

761
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:26,450
wearing but also he noted they all

762
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:29,950
looked deeply deeply depressed really

763
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:33,920
unhappy very very thin very emaciated

764
00:36:41,110 --> 00:36:38,540
but also slightly dark-skinned slightly

765
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:41,120
dark-skinned they had as he put leather

766
00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:45,950
kilts on round shields and Spears they

767
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:48,080
didn't look at or like Hollywood Roman

768
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:51,410
soldiers it could only see them to their

769
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:54,260
knees as the last Roman soldier went

770
00:36:59,740 --> 00:36:56,440
past him the sound of the trumpet

771
00:37:02,260 --> 00:36:59,750
disappeared as well as you can imagine

772
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:02,270
this eight-year-old boy in the cellar

773
00:37:08,050 --> 00:37:04,430
was traumatized he got to his feet

774
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:08,060
shaking with fear and rushed out of the

775
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:10,850
cell at great speed and he met his boss

776
00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:13,910
working above him and if told the boss

777
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:15,590
what had happened and the boss of know

778
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:18,140
Harry Harry we've got to get this job

779
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:21,290
finished we are are under contract we

780
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:23,510
have a deadline I can't go down there

781
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:23,810
again

782
00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:27,950
hurry you're sacked Harry walked through

783
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:30,020
York said he sent that date down

784
00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:32,590
Stonegate this beautiful beautiful

785
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:35,540
beautiful Street and topped him to the

786
00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:39,530
oldest M in the city centre pulled the

787
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,340
old star in he walked up to the bar

788
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:45,200
there and standing by the bar was a

789
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:47,960
young lad enjoying a pint and this young

790
00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:51,380
Logix expression his face he looked at

791
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:53,900
young Harry and said in it you look like

792
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:56,900
you've just seen a ghost actually I've

793
00:38:00,970 --> 00:37:58,850
seen about 85 this afternoon

794
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:00,980
the York even impressed Eunice had a

795
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:02,690
good laugh then he said I tell you what

796
00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:05,360
man it's getting towards Halloween I

797
00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:07,820
think I might just write your story it

798
00:38:13,570 --> 00:38:11,240
sounds quite a good actually so he wrote

799
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:13,580
the story and when the story was

800
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:16,760
published the whole city of York laughed

801
00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:18,040
at Harry Martin

802
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:22,790
however two weeks later no one laughed

803
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,670
at hurry some more work had to take

804
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:28,160
place in the cellar they had to remove a

805
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:31,160
lot more soil and at the area where

806
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:34,610
Harry had seen his Roman soldiers they

807
00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:38,360
found a beautiful Roman floor and they

808
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:41,600
found a beautiful stone tablet with the

809
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:44,500
beautiful Roman numerals and the words

810
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:48,440
ever Aachen they'd found the very

811
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:51,890
gateway to the garrison of York and of

812
00:38:57,490 --> 00:38:54,950
course 2,000 years ago your was one of

813
00:39:00,070 --> 00:38:57,500
the biggest Garrison's in the whole of

814
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:00,080
England and many historians then

815
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:02,380
interviewed Harry about what he'd seen

816
00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:05,060
and the way he described these Roman

817
00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:09,860
soldiers was a bit like something from a

818
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:11,780
different world a different time and

819
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:13,490
many people believe that what Harry saw

820
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:16,970
that day was the Hispanic the Hispanic

821
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:19,610
illusion leaving the City of York for

822
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:20,600
Carlisle

823
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,790
where there were white or the Celts and

824
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:25,520
the stops and your theory Dave is

825
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:28,970
probably quite right somehow Harry with

826
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:31,820
his blowtorch his sodding on had somehow

827
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:34,970
opened a time warp to a different era

828
00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:37,430
and a different time he'd somehow

829
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:40,460
captured it beautifully it was a unique

830
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:43,430
ghost sighting a right right time right

831
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:46,760
place and probably right chemicals he

832
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:49,820
was using in the cellar the result I

833
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:51,530
said about that so because there was a

834
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:53,180
interesting little presentation by

835
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:55,730
Richard Felix on that that oh yeah this

836
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,170
is very important which I was very

837
00:40:02,170 --> 00:39:58,640
impressed with because he'd been into

838
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:02,180
the white stones recording ghostly

839
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:05,810
happenings in the past and I found out

840
00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:07,430
really fascinating it's just sort of

841
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:08,900
giving it a lot of thought since and I

842
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:12,380
think it's probably the case in a lot of

843
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:14,450
cases and on what's in every case but in

844
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:16,190
a lot of cases we're looking at a

845
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:18,530
reenactment of the past I'm recording

846
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:22,100
yes yeah recording that that was picked

847
00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:22,610
up him

848
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:23,960
perhaps for his brain could have been a

849
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:27,200
bit like a radio you know some of his

850
00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:29,270
brain would put a pick this up but I I

851
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:31,070
know the heat the 9th Hispanic did leave

852
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:31,630
you

853
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:36,160
and they were white to a man but so the

854
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:37,690
way you describe them like emaciated

855
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:40,450
there were thin they looked deeply

856
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:43,180
depressed not a single smile into their

857
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:47,200
faces and they looked deeply saddened it

858
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:53,470
was the way he described them really the

859
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:55,240
thing is you've heard stories also about

860
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:57,010
the Roman soldiers and they seem to be

861
00:41:02,040 --> 00:40:58,570
on of different levels if the floors

862
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:02,050
lower down because yes yes which are fun

863
00:41:05,490 --> 00:41:03,670
rather strange which it which again

864
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:05,500
backs up that thing about a recording

865
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:08,380
doesn't it of the stone it C David I

866
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,420
think that theory is right hundred David

867
00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:11,920
yes I wouldn't say it was that in in

868
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:13,720
every case I don't think it was the case

869
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:16,450
with your dog and those ones that your

870
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:18,610
father saw and things like that amazed

871
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:20,620
because there was some sort of a

872
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:23,290
reaction to the people themselves wasn't

873
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:28,090
there you know they seem to they seem to

874
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:29,980
know that they were there but I'm sort

875
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:32,590
of talking about ones that don't realize

876
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:35,800
that you're there but yes yes asked to

877
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:37,480
put it over it's a haunting point I've

878
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:38,890
never seen it goes for self that I know

879
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:42,640
of anyway but I've seen UFOs plot away

880
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:46,210
put so you believe in that sort of thing

881
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:49,240
but that's really sort of kind of my

882
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:53,050
where I come into this but anyway I'd

883
00:41:58,530 --> 00:41:55,540
love to hear another story Simon we've

884
00:42:03,450 --> 00:41:58,540
got quite a bit well pretty got about a

885
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:03,460
good 15 minutes to kill yes not a kill

886
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:08,730
so part with you and let's have no an

887
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:12,850
emotional story again I I do like to

888
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:15,760
talk about people have actually met and

889
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:19,510
this is a ghost story but it's really if

890
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:21,850
I forgive the historia title

891
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:25,390
I think I'd call it the letter we're

892
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:26,740
gonna turn the clock back now to the

893
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:29,320
early part of the last century and a

894
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:30,790
young boy called Jonathan

895
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:33,670
Hesketh Jonathan's only crime in life

896
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:36,610
would be born at the wrong time of the

897
00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:40,660
last century he attended Mikaelson

898
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:42,600
John's Roman Catholic Primary School in

899
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,610
clithero

900
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:46,260
he had a good friend called Annie

901
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:50,100
Cresswell now these two really were good

902
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:50,580
friends

903
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:53,070
it is someone usual for a five year old

904
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:55,770
boy and a five year old girl to feel

905
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,470
loved but they did do and they were

906
00:43:03,110 --> 00:43:00,840
inseparable they play with it shove him

907
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,120
then in the playground they were all

908
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:06,000
they sat together at school and there

909
00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:07,410
was a deep affection between the both

910
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:09,740
them but the teller was 16 they were

911
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:13,290
inseparable and they married each other

912
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,650
just after their 18th birthdays but the

913
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:19,140
Roman Catholic Church in clitoral they

914
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:21,360
had a lovely honeymoon on the beautiful

915
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:24,540
Isle of Man on coming back from the Isle

916
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:27,870
of Man John was horrified to see waiting

917
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,050
for him a crisp white letter with the

918
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:34,440
words HM government as he open the

919
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,770
letter it was his caller famous Oh No

920
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,380
I've got no gripe with the Germans I

921
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:43,680
ain't even seen a German I'm gonna join

922
00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:47,040
the army I've just got married he had no

923
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:51,600
option he was conscripted he was sent to

924
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:54,540
Rose Grove barracks in Burnley to do his

925
00:44:00,080 --> 00:43:56,790
training and there he was taught how to

926
00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:00,090
clean a lee-enfield rifle how to bullies

927
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:03,600
boots and how to how to earn his kit he

928
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:06,570
then had seven days leave with his

929
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:09,950
beloved wife bunny every second every

930
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:14,640
minute every hour every day of those

931
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:17,910
seven days meant so much to this young

932
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:21,570
boy does he realized he was not going to

933
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:25,470
see his 19th birthday he passionately

934
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,320
hugged and kissed young Annie for the

935
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,720
very very last time at the row station

936
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:33,000
in clithero and as the train pulled out

937
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:35,340
the station he must have looked for the

938
00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:37,290
window and seen her disappear in the

939
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,840
suicune steam and the only thing that

940
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,220
must have helped in that day was the

941
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:43,680
fact that nearly every man on that train

942
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:46,790
was going through exactly the same

943
00:44:53,019 --> 00:44:48,410
situation

944
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,029
his battalion xi service east launchers

945
00:45:00,609 --> 00:44:56,000
arrived at the Sun battlefield on the

946
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:00,619
1st of July 1916 none of them had any

947
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:03,380
idea that this was going to be the

948
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:05,990
blackest day in the history of the

949
00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:08,990
British Armed Forces they made their way

950
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:11,750
up to the communication lines and on

951
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,250
their left to have the York and

952
00:45:17,859 --> 00:45:15,440
Lancaster's on the right to have the

953
00:45:21,009 --> 00:45:17,869
Leicestershire regiment and write down a

954
00:45:23,529 --> 00:45:21,019
line of 25 miles when 90 thousand other

955
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:23,539
British soldiers just waiting for the

956
00:45:32,009 --> 00:45:26,359
off on what now known as the Battle of

957
00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:32,019
the Sun at exactly 7:30 first of July

958
00:45:38,529 --> 00:45:35,180
1916 the whistles blew and these young

959
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:38,539
boys made their way over the top within

960
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:41,089
three minutes of leaving the trench John

961
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:44,329
was killed instantly his young wife in

962
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:44,839
chlidren

963
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:47,720
could feel something was not right she

964
00:45:53,049 --> 00:45:50,619
just knew something was not right for

965
00:45:55,749 --> 00:45:53,059
seven days that poor girl could not

966
00:45:58,569 --> 00:45:55,759
drink she could not eat she could watch

967
00:46:02,140 --> 00:45:58,579
sleep she knew there was something very

968
00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:02,150
wrong and she waited for the postman to

969
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:07,460
arrive on the eighth day a letter

970
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:09,230
arrived and as the letter hit the

971
00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:12,950
doormat she saw her name on the letter

972
00:46:19,569 --> 00:46:16,369
she had no idea but only eight days

973
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,579
previously as her husband had made his

974
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:21,650
way to the actual lip of the trench the

975
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:24,019
sergeant major said rat lad just very

976
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:25,730
quickly could your write a letter to

977
00:46:28,509 --> 00:46:26,440
your loved ones

978
00:46:30,849 --> 00:46:28,519
Johnny wrote a quick letter to young

979
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:30,859
Annie placed a letter in an envelope and

980
00:46:34,509 --> 00:46:32,269
the sergeant major took each letter from

981
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:34,519
each man and withdrew his Bennet and

982
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:37,369
skewered the letters he placed the

983
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:40,490
Bennet tip in this sandbag at the top of

984
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:44,210
the trench and then whistles blew John

985
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:47,630
lost his life three minutes later the

986
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:50,450
letter arrived at number 21 Wilson

987
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:52,460
Street cliffy room and as the letter hit

988
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:54,650
the doormat young and he came rushing in

989
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:57,170
to grab the letter she saw a name in it

990
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,500
a strange tear in the corner where the

991
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:02,240
sergeant majors Bennet

992
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:04,430
that pierce the letter she opened the

993
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,250
letter and the only reason the story has

994
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:10,460
continued is I met and his granddaughter

995
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:13,430
because in those seven days leave and he

996
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:17,360
conceived I was shown the letter by

997
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:20,750
Anna's granddaughter as I looked at the

998
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:23,780
words a lump appeared in my throat

999
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:27,010
the words were quite beautiful dear Amy

1000
00:47:35,350 --> 00:47:32,480
you are the love of my life I worship

1001
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:35,360
the very ground you walk on my dear and

1002
00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:38,840
I swear to you I swear to you if I

1003
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:41,060
cannot come back to you in the form of a

1004
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:43,430
human being I will come back to you in

1005
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:46,070
the form of a ghost and say goodbye to

1006
00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:48,970
you in the corner of the Norman keep

1007
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:51,619
clitheroe castle where he played as

1008
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:54,770
children at a rather letter I was

1009
00:47:59,830 --> 00:47:57,770
overcome with emotion it was a great

1010
00:48:03,280 --> 00:47:59,840
honour to read something so personal so

1011
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:03,290
private and a real family heirloom from

1012
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:06,320
the Hesketh family and a lot of the

1013
00:48:10,330 --> 00:48:07,820
words have become very very badly

1014
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:10,340
smudged and and his granddaughter

1015
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:12,080
informing that when her grandmother

1016
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:13,010
Revelator

1017
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:16,010
she too of course was deeply choked by

1018
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:19,340
the material the last question I asked

1019
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:21,910
me it was a very very diplomatic one was

1020
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:25,010
did your grandmother go to the northern

1021
00:48:33,099 --> 00:48:28,790
keep oh she did she said oh she did

1022
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,109
at first she couldn't see him but she

1023
00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:35,660
could smell him but apparent as human

1024
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:37,580
beings we all have a different scent a

1025
00:48:44,859 --> 00:48:42,260
different aroma all of a sudden he

1026
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:44,869
appeared with a golden glowing smile on

1027
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:45,500
his face

1028
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,230
and she tried to grab him but each Hill

1029
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:50,240
she grabbed him her hands went straight

1030
00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:53,780
through him he then turned smiled waved

1031
00:49:02,800 --> 00:48:57,800
and made his way to the next world

1032
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:02,810
granny was 18 with child she never ever

1033
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:07,070
remarried she died in 1977 and it said

1034
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:10,010
all she had on her lips was the name of

1035
00:49:15,849 --> 00:49:12,140
young John Hesketh whose only crime in

1036
00:49:19,269 --> 00:49:15,859
life was to be born at the wrong time

1037
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:19,279
of the last century a very touching

1038
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:22,430
story yeah it is and I think you you hit

1039
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,210
the nail on the head about so many young

1040
00:49:30,999 --> 00:49:28,640
wasted lives on with these Wars and

1041
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:31,009
things and then like you say they have

1042
00:49:36,249 --> 00:49:33,710
no arguments with Germany or any other

1043
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:36,259
country that they go and fight in and it

1044
00:49:41,859 --> 00:49:38,390
sort of brings it home really that I

1045
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:41,869
think people ought to think I know

1046
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:44,089
everyone joins the army sordid and the

1047
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:46,910
services for in in the yeah it's a

1048
00:49:51,069 --> 00:49:49,430
survey country but then they get mixed

1049
00:49:55,989 --> 00:49:51,079
up in wars that they probably don't

1050
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:55,999
agree with yeah I mean I've never been

1051
00:50:01,509 --> 00:49:57,950
in the services but I was actually mixed

1052
00:50:04,479 --> 00:50:01,519
up in them in doing government jobs for

1053
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:04,489
the US Air Force that's why my thought I

1054
00:50:08,799 --> 00:50:06,380
was doing right yourselves working on

1055
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:08,809
weapons of mass destruction some sort

1056
00:50:14,589 --> 00:50:11,450
well right disagree with what I was

1057
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:14,599
working on you know I've got quite a

1058
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:17,390
different opinion now as to what I did

1059
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:21,440
then you know but yes it's one of those

1060
00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:27,920
things anyway but in your own particular

1061
00:50:32,759 --> 00:50:30,380
field the the you actually go on any

1062
00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:32,769
ghost hunts or investigations or

1063
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:35,180
anything yes I do David

1064
00:50:40,989 --> 00:50:38,420
I'm not actually a psychic I'm not a

1065
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:40,999
medium I'm not a clairvoyant but this

1066
00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:44,390
weekend I have been booked by a group

1067
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:52,759
from nauseam nothing suits me the just

1068
00:51:01,539 --> 00:50:57,920
till dawn and they will hire me yeah I

1069
00:51:04,989 --> 00:51:01,549
will meet them on Saturday morning by

1070
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:04,999
minibus I'll take about say 25 30 people

1071
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:07,880
and we'll go on to what's called Pendle

1072
00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:10,910
Hill Pendle Hill of course is very very

1073
00:51:17,979 --> 00:51:14,539
famous for this 16-12 pendel witch

1074
00:51:21,059 --> 00:51:17,989
trials where some 12 local people were

1075
00:51:23,529 --> 00:51:21,069
taken from the Pendle Hill region and

1076
00:51:24,789 --> 00:51:23,539
xìng into the city blanked what horrific

1077
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:24,799
stories actually when you read about

1078
00:51:29,410 --> 00:51:28,460
those they are very very very touching

1079
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:29,420
very sad stories

1080
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:31,910
really and what I tend to do is with the

1081
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:34,960
minibus as we go to each location

1082
00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:38,780
associated with the pendel riches and we

1083
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:40,369
go to lunch the city castle as well of

1084
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:42,200
course to the dungeons there and then at

1085
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,470
night we make our way to what would have

1086
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:48,559
been the forest of pendel and a place

1087
00:51:54,839 --> 00:51:50,780
called malcolm tower which was the home

1088
00:51:59,380 --> 00:51:54,849
of the Damned I can devise families and

1089
00:52:01,210 --> 00:51:59,390
we will stand on the very very soil that

1090
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:01,220
they lived in all those years ago and

1091
00:52:05,319 --> 00:52:03,380
that's when the best word dawn or the

1092
00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:05,329
hoarded happenings or the spooktacular

1093
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:08,059
people they were actually Jaime just to

1094
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,900
tell the story then mediums take over

1095
00:52:15,819 --> 00:52:13,130
what has happened want to try some

1096
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:15,829
Pendle Hill and I really can't get my

1097
00:52:19,809 --> 00:52:18,049
head around it David is we've been there

1098
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:19,819
and shall I say January and December and

1099
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:23,150
it's totally freezing conditions and yet

1100
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:25,910
this gorgeous aroma will come from Nome

1101
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:29,359
and it's like it's almost like walking

1102
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:32,569
into a flower shop experience that it's

1103
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:35,420
weird isn't it yeah it is most in the

1104
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:38,569
usual it's a beautiful gorgeous sweet

1105
00:52:45,309 --> 00:52:41,180
aroma and first I thought was one of

1106
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:45,319
these mediums got a an aerosol but they

1107
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:50,240
really do take their jobs very and I

1108
00:52:57,309 --> 00:52:53,030
can't give you or indeed the listeners a

1109
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,319
logical answer you know as well as I do

1110
00:53:04,420 --> 00:52:59,599
you tend to find out who the frauds are

1111
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:04,430
and who the the real ones are yeah just

1112
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:06,049
by knowing them eventually you don't you

1113
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:08,990
yes sir yes of you know a few for all

1114
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:12,140
the same as I do I'm sure I'm sure it

1115
00:53:16,539 --> 00:53:14,180
does happen you know do you have sure I

1116
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:16,549
think people do exploit that size-14 I

1117
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:19,220
think you're right yeah I think people

1118
00:53:22,569 --> 00:53:21,230
just get so wound up in it and I think

1119
00:53:24,819 --> 00:53:22,579
they just want to make the name for

1120
00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:24,829
themselves in the end and I think that's

1121
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:30,020
the case David yes I agree they're on

1122
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:31,849
this network what's your show called

1123
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:36,890
summer I know what they call ghostly

1124
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:40,280
tales of the unexpected ghostly tales of

1125
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,130
the unexpected I have written a book

1126
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:46,160
Volume one on that theme and I'm halfway

1127
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:48,050
through my second book but what is

1128
00:53:53,050 --> 00:53:50,420
really nice he's using some up material

1129
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:53,060
on the show and I will be using that for

1130
00:53:57,070 --> 00:53:55,310
the next one coming up in this month of

1131
00:53:59,740 --> 00:53:57,080
course yeah sounds good

1132
00:54:02,380 --> 00:53:59,750
but so yeah I will put a link on my

1133
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:02,390
paranormal dimensions package for you

1134
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:04,130
know to your to your show and everything

1135
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,020
and hopefully a few book have you got a

1136
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:08,000
picture oh pretty they say if I the boy

1137
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,970
Amazon I presume this is indeed David

1138
00:54:20,110 --> 00:54:13,760
yes you can get them Emerson and indeed

1139
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:20,120
Kindle as well if you want thanks hey

1140
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:22,070
how do you see your future in this you

1141
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:25,250
think you'll carry on and as far as for

1142
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:28,700
as long as you came well it's really

1143
00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:30,860
funny David I think I've been very very

1144
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:32,660
fortunate I mean I used to work to the

1145
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:36,050
local authority a very very safe job

1146
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:39,080
with sick pay and pension and when I

1147
00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:40,700
paid my mortgage off I thought you know

1148
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:41,840
there's a lot more to life than working

1149
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:44,030
for local authority and I took a leap of

1150
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,270
faith and what actually happened was

1151
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,760
quite amazing I've had today off but

1152
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:51,770
I've been busy every single day this

1153
00:54:59,530 --> 00:54:55,210
week mainly with coach tools relating to

1154
00:55:02,740 --> 00:54:59,540
which is relating so yeah I saw one just

1155
00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:02,750
the other day weren't you that's when

1156
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:04,460
the show goes off you can't wait to go

1157
00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:08,360
but yes a couple of pitches or never

1158
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:10,460
from that if you don't mind it's a of

1159
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,290
course David thank you very much indeed

1160
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:15,200
it's um it's a pleasure I mean hopefully

1161
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:16,910
I'll get up your well maybe I'll get to

1162
00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:20,030
meet you again and it would be a thank

1163
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:21,620
you I'd like to go on one of your tours

1164
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:24,530
over get a chance human be very welcome

1165
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:30,680
to put some things on anything and if

1166
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:32,450
you've got any interesting things that

1167
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:35,510
are going on with you send me some links

1168
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:37,450
and things and I'll put one the page

1169
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:40,130
very yeah you've probably know a few of

1170
00:55:43,570 --> 00:55:41,810
your other we've got a few shows that

1171
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:43,580
are coming up on you on this network up

1172
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:46,790
and we there seem to video coming along

1173
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:48,260
everyone wants to get on this network

1174
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:53,360
now thank you very what I do for an

1175
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:54,830
amazing energy quite risk of you you

1176
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:56,120
were talking to a lady from Queens and

1177
00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:56,510
astray

1178
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:00,020
yes a judgement Arizona and Stephanie a

1179
00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:05,510
worldwide us all over the world it just

1180
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,540
amazes me I mean yes the beginning of

1181
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:11,359
this year I'd know no inkling or idea or

1182
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:13,850
believe even have enough I shove my own

1183
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:16,460
you know it's just just weird the way

1184
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,190
it's happened really but you're the

1185
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:22,640
right man for the job doing the best I

1186
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:24,680
mean my nerves are not quite as bad as

1187
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:26,710
they would refer started out on it but

1188
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:30,170
you know I find a few points of real I

1189
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:32,060
really hope the coffee in front of me

1190
00:56:40,930 --> 00:56:36,680
helps carry on as long as they'll keep

1191
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:40,940
me on and keep me here some point

1192
00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:44,690
there'll be no I'm enjoying it it's good

1193
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:46,040
and I mean I'm eating something you

1194
00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:47,420
lovely person speak you to know it so

1195
00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:48,800
many people love you people you know

1196
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:50,900
when I'll do meet them in person as well

1197
00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:55,880
and as I say it's really opened a whole

1198
00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:58,070
new world to me really and so it's

1199
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:00,950
fantastic and you have young people as

1200
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:07,550
well will you be a few yeah I mean your

1201
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:08,990
stories fascinate me and you're such a

1202
00:57:12,849 --> 00:57:11,480
good storyteller it sees one reasons I

1203
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:12,859
had to have you on the show because you

1204
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:14,990
offense st michael sounds pretty absurd

1205
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:17,690
everything as though you didn't do well

1206
00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:19,369
some IDs a sound effects centers that

1207
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:20,390
whatever the coaches they have a

1208
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:23,930
microphone in things like can i do

1209
00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:26,540
stories on you know the great Richard

1210
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:29,000
Palmer who of course was Dick Turpin and

1211
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:31,100
the sound black death which goes a bit

1212
00:58:02,460 --> 00:57:58,530
Hey look I mean radios great day for

1213
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:02,470
these because it's all to do with audio

1214
00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:06,850
not with with and radio and stories they

1215
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:08,860
go jail this would be a lot going back

1216
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:11,110
to the 50s before there was TV and

1217
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,240
everything as you will say this thing's

1218
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:15,760
got a radio show and everything so I'm

1219
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:18,010
not real comic some reading books and

1220
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:19,600
things it's all in your head your

1221
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,870
imagination comes to life that's very

1222
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:24,160
important nothing there's a lot less

1223
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:26,290
getting lost on the on the present

1224
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:27,880
generation as well with all the computer

1225
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:30,520
games and video games and films of

1226
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:33,250
course you know I think imagination is

1227
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:37,270
being lost than a lot of it yeah so

1228
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:40,770
shows like yours day that's what

1229
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:45,250
hopefully we can draw more people in

1230
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:59,250
anyway listeners out there you've been

1231
00:59:02,910 --> 00:59:00,970
listening to the paranormal UK radio

1232
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:02,920
network and you just been listening to

1233
00:59:07,350 --> 00:59:04,990
saman it was so fantastic guest and I

1234
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:07,360
hope maybe we'll have him on the game at

1235
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:10,450
some point I'm David Young is paying all

1236
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:12,190
the dimensions in good boy Thank You

1237
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:13,050
Simon

1238
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:51,500
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